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Old 03-01-2009, 07:49 PM
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How is it that Mr. Greenspan, free-market lobbyist for Wall Street, recently announced that he favored nationalization of America’s banks – and indeed, mainly the biggest and most powerful? Has he "gone left"? Or are we dealing with the most recent exercise in Orwellian doublethink?

The answer is that the rhetoric of "free markets," "nationalization" and even "socialism" (as in "socializing the losses") has been turned into the language of deception to help the financial sector mobilize government power to support its own special privileges. Having undermined the economy at large, Wall Street’s public relations think tanks are now dismantling the language itself.

The popular media should not let them get away with it.


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What the article does not go into is some basic truths. I'm no market broker, only someone angered enough at what i've seen in the past few months to spend a little time increasing my little knowledge of these events.

Look at Citigroup. they want an extra $75 billion dollars and are offering 40% of the company. Does that sort of statement seem familiar to anyone. Yes thats right 'Dragons Den' where someone wants an investment in the company and are offering a stake in the company. The dragons use their accumalted expertise to judge firstly how well the company is doing, then what the future for the company could be, financially that is, and then lastly they look at the projected earnings of the company compared against the net worth. They then use this knowledge to either lambaste those individuals, (saying your product is shit, not worth investing in, or 'are you taking the piss') or they make them an offer, usually increasing the overall percentile stake in the company, depending on the perceived worth of the company.



Now the above chart shows the range of share price worth from last february until today, starting at $22.10 a share to todays $2.14 a share. A pretty 'merde' year if you'll pardon my french. Also take into account the last bailout they had in November $300 billion, which actually shows up on the index as one of their worst months for trading, so is a bailout really the answer?.

What really bugs me is this:



I've highlighted what i perceive to be the most interesting number: Market Cap 11.66B which translates to $11.66 billion. The Market Cap for this company is $11.66 billion, now market cap is basically the net worth of the company this is worked out by the amount of shares in circulation and the price of each share. So a quick Google shows up 11.66 billion divided by 2.14 = 5.44859813 × 10^9 , thats 5.44859813 times 10 to the power 9 which = 5448598130.

So thats 5448598130 shares in circulation.
Each share is worth $2.14

So lets try to forget about the $300 billion bailout in November "Massive 300-billion dollar rescue for Citigroup" which actually took place on a sunday when most politicians are at home with the kids. So who the **** engineered that bailout. Anyway as i've already stated the share prices for November were pretty shit already and the bailout did nothing:



At closing of trade on Friday the 21st of November the share price was $3.77, now without counting the rest of the money put into the company 25 billioun here some more billions there Guarantees of 90% of all toxic assets, what was the market cap then?

Well from my earlier figures, remember Market Cap equates to share price mulitplied by the amount of shares available, so:
5448598130 shares at $3.77 = 2.0541215 × 10^10
2.0541215 × 10^10 = 20541215000 = 20.6 billion.

So Market Cap at that time (21st February 2008) was only $20.6 billion
and two days later the federal government gave them $300 billion dollars and also guaranteeing 90% of all toxic assets.

The sums they give for a 40% stake at present dont add up, unless my sums are wrong (I hope they are, so please please put me right), 40% of $11.66 billion dollars is $4.66 billion.

Asking for $75 billion dollars for 40% is hugely over priced, in fact

$75 billion divided by $4.66 billion = 16.0944206

So $75 billion is 16 times what the company is worth.

US citizens should already own the company as the last bailout in November was already at that time 14 times what the company was worth:

300 billion divided by 20.6 billion = 14.5631068

So after acquiring all this knowledge in one short morning, I can tell you my answer now............."I'm Out"
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Old 03-01-2009, 10:04 PM
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So, the American public invested $75 billion to get a 40% share into a company that was worth $20 Billion? Sounds like a GREAT deal to me....

I'm really not sure what else to say.. or think for that matter....
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Old 03-01-2009, 10:23 PM
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It is not time to think. It is time to cry. The ObamaNation and for the most part the Bush Dynasty has left this nation in such turmoil and destruction that we are going to hit hyper-inflation soon enough.

Not to be a doomer but lets get in reality for a moment.

Hello you liberals reading this too, try for a moment to follow along here with me...

The main cause of hyperinflation is a massive and rapid increase in the amount of money (In Zimbabwe's case it is estimated at 17,000%), which is not supported by growth in the output of goods and services(Something that is planned out to be as ObamaNation wants it....increasing govt jobs is not growth.)

This results in an imbalance between the supply and demand for the money (including currency and bank deposits), accompanied by a complete loss of confidence in the money, similar to a bank run. Need I say what is going on world wide right now and is feared in Britain and in the Easter Blocs of Europe? How about the possible collapse of EU and the possible dismantling of the EU currency...nah...I wont get into that here. lol

As we know Zimbabwe’s hyper-Inflation was/is a result of the monetary authority irresponsibly borrowing money to pay all its expenses and funding quasi-fiscal activities (which are normally left to Central Government). In Neoliberalism, hyperinflation is considered to be the result of a crisis of confidence(ahem obama are you reading this>> you should be.) The monetary base of the country flees, producing widespread fear that individuals will not be able to convert local currency to some more transportable form, such as gold or an internationally recognized hard currency.

Need I continue on this topic yet? Have we gotten a clue as to the future of this damned Obomination that is occurring right here and right now?

As I have stated in other threads over the last year. I hope that you have your stockpile of ammo, food stuff, seeds and a good water supply.
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:59 PM
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incredible.. i have no words..
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